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Senate Energy Bill Strong on Renewable Energy

By Jesse Broehl, Editor, RenewableEnergyAccess.com
June 29, 2005   |   18 Comments
Senate Passage of Energy Bill Offers Tentative Victory for Renewable Energy

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Over time, through judicious and insightful investments, many large gains that have redefined the energy playing field have started as non-traditional initiatives."

- Sean O'Neill, President of the newly formed Ocean Renewable Energy Coalition (OREC)
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1 of 18
June 29, 2005
Neal,

Check you numbers on Ethanol production. Everything that I've read about Ethanol suggests that it has a positive energy balance (21-34%) and requires a fossil fuel input of 0.09 BTU for every BTU produced. The fossil fuel inputs will continue to go down over time with the development of more RE sources and improvements in the distillation process and crop production.
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2 of 18
June 29, 2005
I would comment, but commenting right now is a bit meaningless since no laws have yet been enacted. Lets wait until the final bill gets churned out.

Remember money rules, and the wealth is held in hydrocarbon interests.

.....Bill
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3 of 18
June 29, 2005
I agree that 10% is low - but its a start. We could hold out for more and still be arguing in 2020 on what the percentage should be. I live in a state that has strong renewable energy support and reaching 10% will be easy but for other states this is a big goal - and I'm happy we're at least getting that.
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4 of 18
June 29, 2005
neil-
Currently utilities in non-RPS states have no incentive to buy renewable energy. Cost wise we are not yet competitive and the most mature renewables (wind and solar) have issues with constant delivery which coal does not encounter.

A national RPS would motivate reluctant utilities to purchase renewable energy and thereby drive the price of renewable energy down. One of the main obstacles to building a new power plant is getting a power purchase agreement.

China already has a 10% national rps - isn't it time we had one aswell.
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5 of 18
June 29, 2005
This bill is a joke and should be criticized, not lauded. Most of the funding will go to Ethanol production (something that takes more petroleum to produce than we save by using the fuel), nuclear energy, and so-called clean coal technology.

There is so little actual money going toward renewable energy, as this article (one among many) shows: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Congress-Energy.html

What I found most useless was the requirement for a renewable mix of energy by all utilities: 10% by 2020.....who cares? This is a meaningful requirement? This bill is just another stalling tactic like ethanol, hydrogen cars, and the fabulous clear skies legislation that further defines the president/congress/senate as laggards and stallers who visciously afflict our environment with harmful legistation.
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6 of 18
June 30, 2005
Neal-
Raising the cost of coal power plants is a good way to entice people to move to renewables (carbon trading would be a start) but to raise the costs through lawsuits would just push those costs onto consumers and create antagonism towards renewables.

Also, at the rate of growth of electricity demand we don't have much spare room to reduce any power source.

It would be better for renewable energy and for electricity consumers if a rps built up the use of renewables as their cost dropped.
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7 of 18
June 30, 2005
Hey Tripp,

I used DOE articles when ethanol research begin to hit my radar...but, I stopped after I saw this fuel from another perspective (one developed in Lovin's Natural Capitalism and the film The Corporation to name a few): the idea of looking at the entire system of production.

What I find missing in these articles are the externalities (the cumulative energy consumed in corn farming and ethanol production). Businesses in general are famous for "outsourcing" externalities, i.e., auto industry and its green house forming gasses that come from autos.

Given this, most research I find to be incomplete when looking at ethanol as a realistic fuel source in place of gasoline.

Cheers,

Neal
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8 of 18
June 30, 2005
At least one permaculturist takes a more optimistic view of ethanol production. He makes a good argument, in my opinion.

http://www.communitysolution.org/04conf/af1.html
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9 of 18
June 30, 2005
I live in Pennsylvania, and have researched the cost of installing a PV system for my private residence. Even with incentives from the local sustainable development fund, I will need more than $20,000.00 out-of-pocket to install a PV system. I wonder if the Senate understands that a $2,000.00 tax break is hardly an incentive.
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10 of 18
June 30, 2005
Neal,

Check out the following link. It is a collection of DOE articles written over the past few years:

http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/RENEW/Biomass/forum.shtml

-- Tripp
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11 of 18
June 30, 2005
Hi Terri,

lawsuits against environmental blights (coal-fired plants) like those in the east will force them into compliance...regardless of an rpf. Why give them a free ride like the current president does in allowing them to expand without upgrading their pollution systems? Instead force them to add renewables at the state level through legislation and then break them with net meetering. Then we won't need their fautian bargins.

I don't want to waste tax dollars on coal when viable alternatives like a Solar Towers exist: http://www.brynmawr.edu/geology/206/gruenstein2.htm

Approaches like this are exactly what we need...not another power plant that serves to pollute and suck more money away for shareholders at the expense of the environment and people.

Neal
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12 of 18
June 30, 2005
Patzek, a UC Berkeley geoengineering professor, also asserts this in the same article:

"Limiting yourself to the energy balance, and within that balance, just the fossil fuel used, is just scraping the surface of the problem," he says. "Corn is not 'free energy.'"

Recently, Patzek published a fifty-page study on the subject in the journal Critical Reviews in Plant Science. This time, he factored in the myriad energy inputs required by industrial agriculture, from the amount of fuel used to produce fertilizers and corn seeds to the transportation and wastewater disposal costs. All told, he believes that the cumulative energy consumed in corn farming and ethanol production is six times greater than what the end product provides your car engine in terms of power.
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13 of 18
June 30, 2005
Hi Tripp,

In following research, I came across this study at UC Berkeley that contadicts all articles suggesting that ethanol is a useful substitute. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm

Ethanol Production Consumes Six Units Of Energy To Produce Just One

For two years, Patzek has analyzed the environmental ramifications of ethanol, a renewable fuel that many believe could significantly reduce our dependence on petroleum-based fossil fuels. According to Patzek though, ethanol may do more harm than good. "In terms of renewable fuels, ethanol is the worst solution," Patzek says. "It has the highest energy cost with the least benefit."

much more information is available in the article.

N
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14 of 18
July 1, 2005
The Renewable technologies supported by the Senate's new energy bill will be able to capitalize on their incentives before the old technologies get out of the gate. That is the advantage of renewables in today's world, they go up quick and start providing investors with a return NOW, not an uncertain 10 years down the road. Let's pass this thing and blow their doors off!
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15 of 18
July 1, 2005
Hello Trip,

Consider the following: New Study: Ethanol Not a Sustainable Path to Petroleum Independence
1 July 2005

A new study of CO2 emissions, cropland area requirements, and other environmental consequences of corn- and sugarcane- ethanol production in the US and Brazil concludes that despite the net energy and CO2 benefits offered by the fuel, using ethanol as a full substitute for gasoline is neither sustainable nor environmentally friendly once the ecological footprint values are factored in.

The researchers also concluded, however, that as part of a diverse energy and fuel portfolio of alternatives to petroleum, " the ethanol option probably should not be wholly disregarded."

The paper, "Ethanol as Fuel: Energy, Carbon Dioxide Balances, and Ecological Footprint," is to be published in the July 2005 issue of BioScience, the journal of the American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS).

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/07/new_study_ethan.html#more

Neal
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16 of 18
July 2, 2005
Neal,

Actually, I believe several of those articles that I mentioned point out the use of external sources (including Nuclear and Hydro) in the determiniation of inputs and outputs. I don't think that anyone is saying that ethanol alone (or biodiesel) is going to solve our transportation sector energy problems. Also, did those articles take into account the cellulose ethanol angle? That's where the real bang for the buck is going to come from. Using agricultural residue to produce usable enery is going to be a very big market in the mid-term (hopefully sooner).

Cheers, T
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17 of 18
July 5, 2005
While the Senate and these written Public debates continue, some fundamental Financial and Lifecycle issues are being missed.
1. Public knowledge of Wind and Wave "plants" to create energy usually omits the huge reinvestment in Power line infrastructure to carry the Power to the point of use.
2. All such infrastructure "improvement" will be passed on in your Electric Bill.
3. Point of Use Solar and Small Wind generators can reduce the infrastructure burden.
4. Some Public Solar and Co-Gen installations are quietly being contracted by the Local Utilities and a Part of their Back-up and construction AVOIDANCE planning ( to their credit).
5. Kudos to the folks at Renewable Energy for supporting the Ocean Energy work.
6. Renewable Energy Access articles are weakest in the details to help the public, and even this audience, advance our knowledge.
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18 of 18
November 29, 2007
Neal,
i want to learn more but your link is broken and
i cant figure out the title for the article
Walter
wlhudson@pacbell.net
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