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Boston's First Wind Turbine Serves as Example

May 18, 2005   |   36 Comments

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''We've got tens of thousands of cars a day passing by, and this will be a daily reminder . . . that renewable energy is available to them."

- James L. Christo, project manager for the trust
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1 of 36
May 18, 2005
The energy produced by the 100 kW turbine from Fuhrlaender should be highly publicized not only in terms of kilowatt hours but in terms of pounds of carbon dioxide NOT produced per unit of energy.

What are the relationships between burning pounds of petroleum, energy produced and carbon dioxide emissions.
Sam
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2 of 36
May 18, 2005
Congratulations to Boston. Maybe one day it'll grow as big as our <a href="http://windshare.ca/">WindShare</a> one in Toronto ...
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3 of 36
May 18, 2005
Some of the under-utilized US auto assembly lines should can be rapidly converted to mass-produce 2 or 3 sizes of wind turbines. These turbines, perfected using the best engineering ideas in the world, need to be pushed from above (Federal and state gov) and below (We the People). Ten to twelve million units, if knocked out in one year, exceed our entire US current energy requirements.
Why waste time with dribs and drabs and endless maybe technologies and Bush phony photo-ops?
The cost per unit of manufacture and installation is what slows down our national conversion to what is already cost competive electricity/hydrogen through wind turbines. Economy of scale is the answer.
Conservation incentives, and a carbon tax on fossil fuels, as advocated by Tom Friedman of the NY Times, should trigger this obvious idea--perhaps after the SUV-mindset at GM and Ford have driven themselves out of business!
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4 of 36
May 18, 2005
My question is, how's the wind there? This is not a very tall turbine, so I would think it would have trouble getting up above the turbulence from the expressway, etc. - I thoughtght they were shying away frome ven moderate wind areas on the Great Plains.

Of course, since it is a pretty small one, it might just cut in at a really low speed...
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5 of 36
May 18, 2005
This is a great project!!!!! It takes a UNION to think of the future of renewables. People can realize that the wind is free and the impact is minimal and astetically pleasing. I'm impressed even more that it is a training facility and it is so visible. As well, You don't need a security clearance to access the technology. Training the public is the most important idea making the technology extremely visible and approachable. Now the average person will see the future of energy production without having to try.
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6 of 36
May 19, 2005
Conservation and incentives to businesses and households for solar cells and solar hot water units would make a dent in it.
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7 of 36
May 19, 2005
If you didn't vote for Bush, Cheney and all their oil buddies maybe we would be heading in the right direction. They have a campaign debt to pay back. Glad my kids not over there in Iraq.
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8 of 36
May 19, 2005
What's your answer then?
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9 of 36
May 19, 2005
This itty-bitty tonka toy is an insult to the intelligence of the people you are trying to manipulate with your propaganda. Build a real turbine in a visable spot if you want to "educate" people. Or maybe build several hundred of them, because that is how many would be required to replace a fraction of the power produced by a real power plant. Yes our energy policies need to be addressed, but this doesn't cut it.
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10 of 36
May 19, 2005
I think that machine is perfect. It is a learning facility as well as a positive step for this area. It also is a tourist attraction. I doubt if the terrorists have wind farms in their sites like they do with nuclear plants. A windmills lifespan is 25 years or so. If people don't like it at that time just take it down. At least it helps get us through these times.
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11 of 36
May 19, 2005
<Enter your comment here>100 kilowatts! Why not put up a real turbine? I would suggest a 1.8 Megawatt unit so people can get an idea of what it will really be like to hike into the Mountains we all love to view, hike, ski, explore, hunt in and otherwise enjoy. The educational benefits of the Boston turbine are great and laudable. Let's hope common sense also seeps in and we realize that it's the cars we drive and sensible, responsible, efficient use of energy and sensible location of energy production facilities that will slow (or stop!) our carbon loading of the atmosphere. Since coal will be our biggest producer of electrical energy by far, it MUST be clean coal. We must have it and so we will. Visit (and support) the greenfuels project at MIT, for example. Learn about it. Let's reduce our energy use footprint while preserving the beautiful places we all need nearby in New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, New York and Western Mass, and elsewhere along the Eastern Seaboard, beauty accessible to and needed by all of us for a healthy life. There is a place for all energy production but coal will remain our primary energy source...and it HAS to be clean, and that has to happen soon. Just as we must conserve oil while not cutting back on our lives. We love our cars. We will drive. We have to drive efficient cars...the more efficient the better and the sooner the better.
Paul Kenyon, VT
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12 of 36
May 19, 2005
I want my children and grandchildren to have clean air for good health.I also would like them to be safe from the dangers of
being dependant on oil from the Middle East.Windmills are an important part of
making a clean and safe exsistance for
future generations.
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13 of 36
May 19, 2005
Yeah I'd rather see another coal fired plant in my back yard along with the strip mine. Jeesh!!
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14 of 36
May 19, 2005
That special interest is your kids.
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15 of 36
May 19, 2005
Sounds like a publicly-funded, 100-foot high, special-intrest billboard to me.

Lloyd Crawford
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16 of 36
May 19, 2005
To say that the 1.5 M.W. machines would destroy our country in ignorant. Maybe you should check out your local nuclear plant here in Plymouth that's stuffed with 800 tons of high level nuclear waste. This stuff is sitting in a vulnerable spent fuel pool with no where to go. If people were more educated on this subject they would agree that it's better to look at these windmills than to leave these waste issues for our kids to deal with.
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17 of 36
May 19, 2005
Typical false advertising of the kind we can expect from the wind industry.

This 100 kW toy cannot be compared with the 1.5 MW+ monsters that GE and others would like to destroy our country with.
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18 of 36
May 20, 2005
p.s. I agree with the other comments about this small, low-output turbine being akin to false advertising, because it in no way reflects what a real wind farm would be like. People may say, "Gee that ain't so bad" for this one, then be shocked at what hundreds of REAL ones look like.
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19 of 36
May 20, 2005
Conceptually, I am in favor of pursuing wind energy as an alternative to oil and nuclear. But I am also mindful and wary of the big negatives that come with wind. Ruining our landscapes and seascapes with wind farms is a pretty steep price to pay for this alternative. If places can be found to place them that have a relatively low impact on nature (perhaps like the huge one in the Palm Springs, CA area), then I'd go for it. But putting a line of turbines off Cape Cod would be at least as much of a crime as a nuclear plant. This is not a NIMBY issue - it's a matter of learning from past mistakes. Wind energy itself might be a desirable alternative, but let's not implement it at the cost of our visual environment!
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20 of 36
May 20, 2005
The most important part of this story is the cooperation between Strong's Company and the Union, to expand training through the IBEW's training center. Here in California there is a great vacuum in the area of training, for both wind and solar contractors. We will share this story with the IBEW and other Unions, in our region, to develop a similar strategy for training in renewable energy. We seek other groups' input on how we can create greater collaboration, and develop training strategies throughout the country for young people who are seeking for long-term employment in RE power development
www.FRProject.org
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21 of 36
May 20, 2005
How right you are. That windmill could be a great idea or it could go down in flames. It should be a halfway good spot for a windmill but of coarse there are better. I still think it's better than nothing and alot of people will talk about it if it works.... or doesn't. I think we should start putting them at any high school that makes sense. Teach the kids early about them and get them to learn to think about how we get our energy and what the real costs are.
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22 of 36
May 20, 2005
Initially, as a supporter of wind energy, I thought that the IBEW turbine was a terrific idea. What great exposure to display this elegant source of energy? However, as a regular commuter from Boston to the South Shore, i have passed the turbine twice a day since it was erected and only seen it moving once! Was any site work done in advance of this placement? If it is a stationary addition to the landscape it will not serve its supporters well. Any insights? Is it fully functional?
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23 of 36
May 20, 2005
Don't forget his sidekick Dick. He's making millions off our igorance. The longer this war goes on the better he looks to his Haliburton friends...and shareholders.
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24 of 36
May 20, 2005
Sure they do, they elect lying warmongering presidents!
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25 of 36
May 20, 2005
Us red states never do anything
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26 of 36
May 20, 2005
way to go boston. Nice the see the Blue states actually doing something about Global Warming.
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27 of 36
May 20, 2005
I think that Kennedy is way out of touch. I'm not a huge fan of his to begin with. We need common sense and these people that are in charge have very little of that. It should be quite simple.
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28 of 36
May 20, 2005
Commentator RD seems to have an odd form of ideological blindness. He attacks Bush and Cheney but he ignores Senator Kennedy who is the main culprit identified in the article. Kennedy is a Democrat and he claims to an "environmentalist" but he is opposed to the Cape Wind project that the union spokesman supports. The IBEW union is building the turbine as a showcase to support wind power and the Cape Wind project. There is a growing group people who claim to be "environmentalists" and "liberals" but who really follow the tenets of NIMBY - not in my back yard. In Massachusetts, Vermont, and many other states building wind power projects is becoming increasingly difficult.
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29 of 36
May 20, 2005
No it isn't much of a power plant. But it is a a step forward.

We are addicted to gas and oil, and coal. We pay for it every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, we coddle brutal dictators, we borrow for our huge military budget and deficits, we breathe the pollution and melt the ice caps.
It's time for strong doses of Yankee ingenuity and thriftiness. Time to walk the walk.

So support IBEW, Steven Strong, and others, even for the smallest steps, and support your country, in its time of need. Conserve, renew, speak out, organize, and take back your country.

The alternative is shame and degradation.
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30 of 36
May 22, 2005
Why are you all ranking on how small it is. That machine is there to help run that building, teach the guys how to work on them and show people what they look like. I think some people are worried about their oil stocks taking a hit if these machines start going up. You have to start somewhere. If they put a quarter of the money into wind and photovoltaics that they put into nuclear maybe we would get somewhere
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31 of 36
May 24, 2005
www.hullwind.org
thanks for visiting.
maybe more in Hull, Ipswich, Quincy, Orleans, Yarmouth, Marion, Mattapoisette, Bourne, Weymouth, Hingham..

Where others fail to see the benefit in deploying renewables of various technologies, we will prevail in helping us live at least one more decade...are oceans are dying, global climate change is definately upon us, and perhaps because of human activity, perhaps not...these SMALL steps do barely make a dent, and that, my friends, is the tough part...we need 10 more projects of similar scale to Cape Wind today in order to sustain our unsustainable lifestyles...so that the technololgy can be transferred to China and India...read the WSJ article, front page, 1st column of Dec 18, 2004: the hidden costs of China's economic explosion: mercury pollution...they can identify pollution coming from 1 of china's 2000+ unregualted coal fired plants over the new england states...
IT WILL GET WORSE BEFORE GETTING BETTER.
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32 of 36
May 25, 2005
It has come time to make some serious sacrifices here people. We have polluted our planet enough with coal and nuclear energy. You are worried that these turbines will destroy your view from 8 to 9 miles off the coast. Keep burning that coal and you won't be able to see the coast.
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33 of 36
May 25, 2005
http://wind.dynalias.com Will be more Coast to Coast Sea to Shining Sea. In remote hill tops, ridges, this is a global energy resource that will be tapped and havested World Wide. With in the next five to ten years there will be a explosion of wind farms coast to coast. I predict with in ten years we should be at 10 to 20 % of all US electrical power will be collect the the wind areas in this countrie and possible in North America with or with out present support from G.W.Bush and is new Energy Bill.

PS: I have a warm fussy feeling about a
thoughtful feeling there is going to be a righting on his energy solution for off shore wind.
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34 of 36
May 26, 2005
I would like to point out that clean coal is an oxymoron. Wind, solar, and tidal, backed up by natural gas on demand turbines is the future. When Hydrogen does make its eventual introduction to commercial use the natural gas turbines will be retired as their useful lives come to an end and hydrogen will replace them. This is not so much the future I would like as much as it is the one that our hunger for power will economically and scientifically thrust upon us.

All you fellas that are worried about your view I think it may be time to grow up and get over it. Offshore wind is there because there will always be a meeting of two air masses which create what, oh yea wind.

One, Two and Three megawat wind turbines will only be put where there is a somewhat reliable source of wind so if you do not like these structures perhaps you could go somewhere that the wind is not so strong.
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35 of 36
May 26, 2005
Not such a sacrifice when it comes down to it.

I mean, it's in Dorchester, for pete's sake!
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36 of 36
May 28, 2005
The size of this one turbine is perfect for the application it is used for -- to run ONE BUILDING along side of the pv panels on the roof, not to run 700 homes. False advertising is putting one up and not using it to its full potential.
Why do we not just stick a nuclear reactor in its place for all the nay sayers and then ship the waste to their backyards to cook for a thousand years.
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